[Firedragon]

Your short answer. Jesus is divine. The word is defining. Muhammad is NOT divine or Divine or a true prophet, since he rejects what the divine Word revealed and teaches against it, using a sword, commanding war, killing sacred human life, allowing human maiming, having sex with multiple partners, etc.

Quote from what actually came from Muhammeds mouth, the Quran and the books called canonical gospels which are oldest claimed books about Jesus that we have easy access to, and show us teachings 1 by 1 where Muhammed has rejected Jesus' teachings.

What are the teachings that Jesus taught and Muhammed went against.

Please quote the bible with Jesus' teaching and the Quranic verse that goes against it please. This will be objective and will be good analysis.

Thank you.

[Jon]

Thou shall not kill?

[Firedragon]

Thou shall not kill?

No quote from the bible and no comparing quote from the Quran.

Quote from what actually came from Muhammeds mouth, the Quran and the books called canonical gospels which are oldest claimed books about Jesus that we have easy access to, and show us teachings 1 by 1 where Muhammed has rejected Jesus' teachings.

[Jon]

Mohammed declared a holy war (Jihad) against infidels; Christ achieved a holy victory on Calvary's cross (Colossians 2:14-15) and His followers share in that victory (John 16:33).

[guardian1]

the hebrew is "murder", not "kill". and yes, there is a difference between murder and killing

[squeegie]

the hebrew is "murder", not "kill". and yes, there is a difference between murder and killing

Would semantics offer me much of a defense against a suicide bomber?

guardian, in either case, a heart stops beating. Your "difference" may carry weight in a court of law, but in the real world of children who suddenly have no father or mother, or a wife who is suddenly sleeping alone, the difference doesn't matter.

[aladdin]

Your short answer. Jesus is divine. The word is defining. Muhammad is NOT divine or Divine or a true prophet, since he rejects what the divine Word revealed and teaches against it, using a sword, commanding war, killing sacred human life, allowing human maiming, having sex with multiple partners, etc.

Quote from what actually came from Muhammeds mouth, the Quran and the books called canonical gospels which are oldest claimed books about Jesus that we have easy access to, and show us teachings 1 by 1 where Muhammed has rejected Jesus' teachings.

What are the teachings that Jesus taught and Muhammed went against.

Please quote the bible with Jesus' teaching and the Quranic verse that goes against it please. This will be objective and will be good analysis.

Thank you.

The criteria of this thread!

[Firedragon]

What are the teachings that Jesus taught and Muhammed went against.

Please quote the bible with Jesus' teaching and the Quranic verse that goes against it please. This will be objective and will be good analysis.

Thank you.
The criteria of this thread!

Will never be understood.

BTW, I was told that Muhammed rejected so many teachings of Jesus.

[Firedragon]

Mohammed declared a holy war (Jihad) against infidels;

Pls see http://islamfactor.org/index.php?showtopic...ost&p=88119

[aladdin]

Will never be understood.

BTW, I was told that Muhammed rejected so many teachings of Jesus.

It is understood alright, but they are not able to respond!

[jimdi]

It is understood alright, but they are not able to respond!

Lets try on the subject of loving ones enemies.

Luke 6:34-36 (New International Version)

34And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' lend to 'sinners,' expecting to be repaid in full. 35 But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. 36Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.

2.89

And when there comes to them a Book from God, confirming what is with them,- although from of old they had prayed for victory against those without Faith,- when there comes to them that which they (should) have recognised, they refuse to believe in it but the curse of God is on those without Faith.

followed by

2.191

And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.

[Firedragon]

Lets try on the subject of loving ones enemies.

Luke 6:34-36 (New International Version)

34And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' lend to 'sinners,' expecting to be repaid in full. 35 But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. 36Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.

2.89

And when there comes to them a Book from God, confirming what is with them,- although from of old they had prayed for victory against those without Faith,- when there comes to them that which they (should) have recognised, they refuse to believe in it but the curse of God is on those without Faith.

followed by

2.191

And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.

This thread is in response to the claim that the prophet Muhammed rejected Jesus' teachings like no bodies business. Is this the only teaching of Jesus that you claim Muhammed to have rejected?

If so I will answer this claim.

TC

[LtTony]

Baptism, too.

Christ also commanded what is called "communion."

[Firedragon]

Baptism, too.

Christ also commanded what is called "communion."

Please quote the Bible reference and the opposing Quranic reference.

[Jon]

Matthew 28:19

Jesus say's:

19 Going therefore, teach ye all nations: baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost.

Did Mohammed Command the same thing?

[catluvr]

What are the teachings that Jesus taught and Muhammed went against.

Please quote the bible with Jesus' teaching and the Quranic verse that goes against it please. This will be objective and will be good analysis.

Thank you.

I think this may be more what you're looking for. It's not everything, but it should provide you with some evidence from both books which seem to contradict each other. I also wanted to post any ahadith that went along w/the Quran (since you said "Muhammad's teachings" then went on to require only the Quranic verses) but it was already taking too long. I will post what Jesus spoke (in red), and I will post the Quranic ayat(s) (in blue) that contradicts it. It took a long time just to get this in...if you want more you'll have to say so (and wait).

[#1]
Matthew 5:21,22
You have heard that the ancients were told, YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER' and 'Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court.'

"But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court;

Quran, 004.092
Never should a believer kill a believer; but (If it so happens) by mistake, (Compensation is due): If one (so) kills a believer, it is ordained that he should free a believing slave, and pay compensation to the deceased's family, unless they remit it freely.





[#2]
Matthew 6:19,20
"Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys, and where thieves do not break in or steal.

Quran 008.001
They ask thee concerning (things taken as) spoils of war. Say: "(such) spoils are at the disposal of Allah and the Messenger:

Quran 008.041
And know that out of all the booty that ye may acquire (in war), a fifth share is assigned to Allah,- and to the Messenger, and to near relatives, orphans, the needy, and the wayfarer,- if ye do believe in Allah and in the revelation We sent down to Our servant on the Day of Testing,-




[#3]
Matthew 5:33-37
"Again, you have heard that the ancients were told, 'YOU SHALL NOT MAKE FALSE VOWS, BUT SHALL FULFILL YOUR VOWS TO THE LORD.'

"But I say to you, make no oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God, or by the earth, for it is the footstool of His feet, or by Jerusalem, for it is THE CITY OF THE GREAT KING.

"Nor shall you make an oath by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black.

"But let your statement be, 'Yes, yes' or 'No, no'; anything beyond these is of evil.

Quran 002.225
Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts; and He is Oft-forgiving, Most Forbearing.

Quran 005.089
Allah will not call you to account for what is futile in your oaths, but He will call you to account for your deliberate oaths: for expiation, feed ten indigent persons, on a scale of the average for the food of your families; or clothe them; or give a slave his freedom. If that is beyond your means, fast for three days. That is the expiation for the oaths ye have sworn.


[#4]
Matthew 5:38-41

"You have heard that it was said, 'AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.'

"But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but ⁽whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.

"If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also.

"Whoever forces you to go one mile, go with him two.

Quran 003.140
If a wound hath touched you, be sure a similar wound hath touched the others. Such days (of varying fortunes) We give to men and men by turns: that Allah may know those that believe, and that He may take to Himself from your ranks Martyr-witnesses (to Truth). And Allah loveth not those that do wrong.




[#5]
Matthew 5:43-45
"You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.'

"But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.

"For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? "If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same?

Quran 003.028
Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah

Quran 004.089
But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-


Quran 060.001
O ye who believe! Take not my enemies and yours as friends (or protectors),- offering them (your) love, even though they have rejected the Truth that has come to you, and have (on the contrary) driven out the Prophet and yourselves (from your homes), (simply) because ye believe in Allah your Lord!


Quran 060.009
Allah only forbids you, with regard to those who fight you for (your) Faith, and drive you out of your homes, and support (others) in driving you out, from turning to them (for friendship and protection). It is such as turn to them (in these circumstances), that do wrong.



Sources:
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/en...s/muslim/quran/
http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/index...mp;vid=31#books

This post has been edited by Honu: 11 June 2009 - 01:17 AM
Reason for edit: To number the individual points of discussion

[LtTony]

Please quote the Bible reference and the opposing Quranic reference.

"Matthew 28:19

Jesus say's:

19 Going therefore, teach ye all nations: baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost.

Did Mohammed Command the same thing?"


Communion: John 6:51–56, Luke 22, among others.
I'll let you handle the Koran end.

[Firedragon]

"Matthew 28:19

Jesus say's:

19 Going therefore, teach ye all nations: baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost.

Did Mohammed Command the same thing?"


Communion: John 6:51–56, Luke 22, among others.
I'll let you handle the Koran end.

No tony. The request is to post the opposing Quranic reference where the prophet has rejected Jesus' teachings.

[Honu]

Tony, with respect, I think catluvr's approach is the best wherein she is showing a "point-counterpoint" approach to the discussion. I don't think it is fair to post a teaching of Jesus and expect Sho to find a confirming passage in the Quran..

[shamsuddin waheed]

Lets try on the subject of loving ones enemies.

Muhammad actually practiced this, not just made the statement.

When he came back to Makkah, after all those years of persecutions, after the death of many of his followers, including the mutilation of his uncle's body [Hamza],he did not punish anyone.

He issued a general amnesty!!

Actions speak louder than words. Muhammad, at least in our understanding,was the fulfullment of all the prior teaching, the book given to him the completion of that whole process.