Voting is Haram! Options

[Jim]

Being a Muslim denotes that accepting, promoting and supporting kufr (non-Islam) is contrary to the very belief of Islam. Yet we find Muslim candidates standing up as representatives of various political parties eagerly wanting to become part of the British Parliamentary (Legislative) system. An establishment that rules by the laws constructed from the mind of man, where man is made sovereign and has the exclusive right to legislate, a concept that clearly violates a basic tenant of the Islamic belief, namely that Allah (swt) is the sole legislator and commander (Al-Haakim). Therefore the very foundation of this government contradicts Islam and any support or representation of it is just as much a violation.

http://forums.cageprisoners.com//showthread.php?t=701

What kind on non-sense is this?

This is the problem with extremist Muslims that I have. "Oh, Allah is the supreme legislator so we cannot vote!" How else are Muslims supposed to take control of a government... oh wait, that is right... through violence!

Seems like any idiot can be a cracker jack scholar these days.

[spike]

You're quoting from an extremist wannabe forum. No surprise it's full of junk like this, Jim. More importantly, what is being done to correct and/or dismantle sites like this so outsiders don't get the wrong impression of Islam/Muslims and, most of all, information?

What kind on non-sense is this?

This is the problem with extremist Muslims that I have. "Oh, Allah is the supreme legislator so we cannot vote!" How else are Muslims supposed to take control of a government... oh wait, that is right... through violence!

Seems like any *** can be a cracker jack scholar these days.

[Jim]

You're quoting from an extremist wannabe forum. No surprise it's full of junk like this, Jim. More importantly, what is being done to correct and/or dismantle sites like this so outsiders don't get the wrong impression of Islam/Muslims and, most of all, information?

Well, Spike, that is where we come in.

The opinions expressed on that site are often acquiesced by Islamic sites and groups around the world. Mostly, Muslims bury their heads in the sand and dont deal with such people and pretend that they dont exist. However here it is, they do exist, we all know it.

This is just one of many examples of the absolute non-sense of the Salafi movement who is the main group that promotes these ideas.

Their concept of coming to effect change or ruling a government is through violent revolution effectively placing them in power, Taliban style.

[spike]

Yes, I understand that only too well. Again, what is being done to "correct" or change situations like this? Anything?

To me, the most resounding and resourceful resistance should come from fellow Muslims but I don't see that happening.

Well, Spike, that is where we come in.

The opinions expressed on that site are often acquiesced by Islamic sites and groups around the world. Mostly, Muslims bury their heads in the sand and dont deal with such people and pretend that they dont exist. However here it is, they do exist, we all know it.

This is just one of many examples of the absolute non-sense of the Salafi movement who is the main group that promotes these ideas.

Their concept of coming to effect change or ruling a government is through violent revolution effectively placing them in power, Taliban style.

[Kayak]

Thats true Jim, those cracker jack scholars spit things out and twist words, so it could conveniently fall under their agenda, and make it seem as if they are following "Quran and Sunnah" when they really aren't.

Thats the part I find ridiculous.

Then what amazes me is that certain "muslims" use those misleading fatwas to make you seem as if you aren't following Quran and Sunnah. lol

And that's the part I find hilarious. Only if those people knew how to really differentiate between what's Quran and Sunnah and whats not...

This post has been edited by Kayak: Oct 8 2008, 06:36 AM

[jaba]

If you don't vote you can't complain about the gov't....go NDP!!!!!

[jazain]

exactly right!! no vote - no voice. and do NOT complain one bit about what the government is and is not doing for muslims or if there arent many muslims involved in politics.


God i hate this particiular issue. at another forum, it got straight up ridiculous.


we do NOT live in a muslim countries so we dont have muslim candidates to choose from. but we have to do the best we can for ourselves and our fellow americans. we cant just sit by and let elections go by and do nothing. this is how we gain our voice. vote.

[Kayak]

And the nerve of those people telling others that its haram too, right? If you don't want to vote, then don't but PLEASE don't tell me not to. It just goes back to control issues.

lol I'm so sick of being told that I'm hell bound. Its said so often that I roll eyes to it.

All of a sudden, people have become Allah's spokesperson on Earth lol. Nauthubillah..

Alhamdulillah that Allah thinks differently than them..

[Billy]

And the Qur'an states that Muslims should support and try to enhance the community. Also there are many aspects to modern life that are not adequately covered except on general principles so we as the community as a whole have to decide (legislate) based on what we know as people. The very fact these people are posting on the internet is hipocritical.

[jaba]

exactly right!! no vote - no voice. and do NOT complain one bit about what the government is and is not doing for muslims or if there arent many muslims involved in politics.


God i hate this particiular issue. at another forum, it got straight up ridiculous.


we do NOT live in a muslim countries so we dont have muslim candidates to choose from. but we have to do the best we can for ourselves and our fellow americans. we cant just sit by and let elections go by and do nothing. this is how we gain our voice. vote.

I'm guessing in most, if not all Muslim countries they don't have Muslim canidates to choose from either. There is only one choice, the winning choice.

[Jim]

Even if we did live in a Muslim country, the governments are not Islamic.

So according to these "Voting is Haram" crowd, you cant even vote in an Islamic country because its till a system of Kufr since their governments were established and modeled after the old European colonial systems.

[Cenara]

Being a Muslim denotes that accepting, promoting and supporting kufr (non-Islam) is contrary to the very belief of Islam. Yet we find Muslim candidates standing up as representatives of various political parties eagerly wanting to become part of the British Parliamentary (Legislative) system. An establishment that rules by the laws constructed from the mind of man, where man is made sovereign and has the exclusive right to legislate, a concept that clearly violates a basic tenant of the Islamic belief, namely that Allah (swt) is the sole legislator and commander (Al-Haakim). Therefore the very foundation of this government contradicts Islam and any support or representation of it is just as much a violation.

http://forums.cageprisoners.com//showthread.php?t=701

The post and scholar reply in the link dates back to 2004 and 2001.

As of lately I've come across a general consensus among Muslims upholding votes as permissible - since first and foremost they live in societies in which they enjoy rights, thus bound to certain duties, eg. voting. By partaking in public life they can influence progressive decisions, politically, for the betterment of the community.

[aladdin]

Even if we did live in a Muslim country, the governments are not Islamic.

So according to these "Voting is Haram" crowd, you cant even vote in an Islamic country because its till a system of Kufr since their governments were established and modeled after the old European colonial systems.

But the dynasties of Omayyad, Abbasaid, and so forth were hand picked by Allah. Even the khulfa al-Rashideen were hand picked by Allah too!

This the junk which is fed to ijma (consensus) of Muslims for centuries!

An establishment that rules by the laws constructed from the mind of man, where man is made sovereign and has the exclusive right to legislate, a concept that clearly violates a basic tenant of the Islamic belief, namely that Allah (swt) is the sole legislator and commander (Al-Haakim). Therefore the very foundation of this government contradicts Islam and any support or representation of it is just as much a violation.

The glories day of Islamic Empires!

[jaba]

My husband just wants everyone to know that not voting is haram

[jazain]

yells to husband way up in canada, "thank you husband!!!!"

[aladdin]

Alleluyah! Alleluiah! Halleluiah! Hallelujah! Allaluiah!

[jazain]

[jaba]

lol

[Jim]

Yusuf Qradawi states:

Particularities of the American Situation:

America has special conditions that need to be addressed in order to reach a rule in this matter:

1. America is a nation composed of immigrant communities from all over the world. It is not connected to one nation or one culture, in a limited sense where non-Europeans are excluded.

2. It is a young country. Its cultural patterns are still open to Influence from Islam. It also provides Islam with an opportunity to contribute to its growth.

3. It is a country that respects the freedoms of all religions to exist regardless of some shortcomings.

Based on the above mentioned conditions, the following conclusions can be reached in terms of Muslims' participation in politics in America:

First: It is incumbent upon Muslims to participate in politics effectively in America. They need to involve for the following reasons:

- If Muslims need to protect their rights they have to involve in politics

- Supporting their fellow Muslims around the world.

- Spreading Islam’s message.

- Expressing the universality of Islam.

Source

[shamsuddin wahee...]

my first time voting..was it Haraam?

http://shamsuddinwaheed.blogspot.com/2008/...s-thoughts.html